Talk:Achievements

To Hell and Back
Finding this is a bitch. Especially since planets go "soft" in easy mode but do NOT increase in rogue mode.

I landed on the worst gas giants have to offer without protection (but you can't LAND there) so Extreme, Inferno, Violent. Danger level 6 doesn't count there.

I landed on a very dangerous lava world, deadly with High Gravity, Inferno, Strong. So level 5 in danger (2 Gravity + 2 Heat + 1 Wind). We might need to find 6+, so the same with Earthquakes or stronger wind or more gravity. Thamalandis (talk) 22:23, 30 April 2018 (UTC)


 * I just landed on a molten planet: very high gravity (2), inferno (2), strong convection (1), atmosphere thick (?), heavy earthquakes (2). Danger 7 doesn't work either. Liquidlenslab (talk) 00:43, 1 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Atmosphere is only important on gas giants as it "compresses" you, so damage in gas layers. Otherwise it HELPS you break the landers speed. That isn't negative. I think that pretty much confirms it, we need the worst of the worst. I only found hot jupiters with that statistic: Extreme gravity with inferno (big lava worlds) with a hurricane (violent) and either thunderstorm or heavy Earthquake. So 3+2+2+1 = Danger 8. Although one question for your landing above... did you remove all upgrades reducing effects? Those reduce the danger level beforehand.Thamalandis (talk) 01:23, 1 May 2018 (UTC)


 * No modules except of the pilot ejector involved. I also checked out: molten extreme inferno violent (7) -> no achievement. Liquidlenslab (talk) 02:04, 1 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Well, then it is either 4 red or Danger Level 8. Like finding a needle in a haystack.Thamalandis (talk) 02:14, 1 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I landed on a High Gravity, Searing, Violent, Thunderstorm (so 4 dangers) with no protection. Nothing happened, so it is NOT the amount of dangers. You don't get more than 4 reds. The danger level in theory is 1+1+2+1(2) = 5(6). So the danger level was low, but it had a lot of red. So red 4 is debunked. Time to find the needle that has Extreme, Inferno, Violent + Hazard.Thamalandis (talk) 22:40, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

THEY BELONG IN A MUSEUM
Same game as before, got one just now and checked the %, it was 3%. So it was something between 2.5% and 3.5% which means there are 29-40 relics in the game counting for this achievement. All creature relics + artifacts would be 38. If I exclude those you have to "extract" and go down to discovery/exchange at point we get to: 31. 32 with the Famine Totem only Siobhan can make. 33 with the legendary Sickle. I am pretty sure all "devices" in wrecks do not count towards this achievement at all. So this is purely ruin based. I will keep an eye on the % rise to get a better middle value. Currently it jumped from 45% to 48%... yeah I checked a LOT of ruins in my first run. Comes with exploring all sectors you see completely.Thamalandis (talk) 22:31, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Hey, it rose to 52% with the Ancient Tablet Malcolm broke his lef for me. So that actually makes 7% in 2 and thus minimum 3.25-3.5%. Yeah should be around 29 relics then. If we count the sickle into it it should be 3.33% and thus in two 6.66% so it could be 7% anyway... That way the Avalon quest is still needed. But I am pretty sure only actually FOUND items in ruins count. So no crystallized time or Avulco gem.Thamalandis (talk) 23:11, 25 April 2018 (UTC)


 * I made a list of all 71 items, that are tracked by the achievement code. Some obviously belong to other achievements, so it's probably a subset of this list I'll check, whether I can find more filters to kick out more candidates.

P.AA.AvalonCompass

P.AA.AvulcoBust

P.AA.AvulcoFamilyTree

P.AA.AvulcoFob

P.AA.AvulcoGem

P.AA.BrokenFamineSymbol

P.AA.CarnivorousPlant

P.AA.CrystalisedTime

P.AA.CultAstrolabe

P.AA.CultCompass

P.AA.CultRelicA

P.AA.CultRelicB

P.AA.CultRelicC

P.AA.CultRelicD

P.AA.CultRelicE

P.AA.CultSextant

P.AA.CultWelcomeRelic

P.AA.DeathSymbol

P.AA.DomesticatedSabertoothWombat

P.AA.Dreamweaver

P.AA.FerociousRodent

P.AA.FirstPlace

P.AA.FirstPlaceHN05Race

P.AA.FourWingedBat

P.AA.HordeBadge

P.AA.Idol

P.AA.KingsScythe

P.AA.Kliktik

P.AA.NeonBerries

P.AA.PainSymbol

P.AA.PestilenceSymbol

P.AA.PlantA

P.AA.PlantB

P.AA.PlantBig

P.AA.PlantC

P.AA.PlantD

P.AA.PlantE

P.AA.PlantMedium

P.AA.PlantSapling

P.AA.PlantSeed

P.AA.PlantSmall

P.AA.RelicA

P.AA.RelicB

P.AA.RelicC

P.AA.RelicD

P.AA.RelicE

P.AA.RelicF

P.AA.ReversedScorpion

P.AA.RoyalStatue

P.AA.SabertoothWombat

P.AA.SuspendedGalaxy

P.AA.SymbolOfKnighthood

P.AA.ThreeLeggedTurtle

P.AA.Tournament_Trophy

P.AA.VRProgramArcheologist

P.AA.VRProgramAstronaut

P.AA.VRProgramBlogger

P.AA.VRProgramBotanist

P.AA.VRProgramBusiness

P.AA.VRProgramChildprodigy

P.AA.VRProgramEmpath

P.AA.VRProgramEngineer

P.AA.VRProgramPilot

P.AA.VRProgramResearcher

P.AA.WarSymbol

P.AA.Wisp

P.AA.XaquindiClaw

P.AA.XaquindiCrucibles

P.AA.XaquindiGem

P.AA.XaquindiLarvae

P.AA.Xenilingua

Liquidlenslab (talk) 23:08, 25 April 2018 (UTC)


 * I cleaned your list up. With 36 items it is still at least 4-5 too much even though I removed plants, trophies and animals.


 * P.AA.AvalonCompass
 * P.AA.AvulcoBust
 * P.AA.AvulcoFamilyTree
 * P.AA.AvulcoFob
 * P.AA.AvulcoGem
 * P.AA.BrokenFamineSymbol
 * P.AA.CrystalisedTime
 * P.AA.CultAstrolabe
 * P.AA.CultCompass
 * P.AA.CultRelicA
 * P.AA.CultRelicB
 * P.AA.CultRelicC
 * P.AA.CultRelicD
 * P.AA.CultRelicE
 * P.AA.CultSextant
 * P.AA.CultWelcomeRelic
 * P.AA.DeathSymbol
 * P.AA.Dreamweaver
 * P.AA.Idol
 * P.AA.KingsScythe
 * P.AA.PainSymbol
 * P.AA.PestilenceSymbol
 * P.AA.RelicA
 * P.AA.RelicB
 * P.AA.RelicC
 * P.AA.RelicD
 * P.AA.RelicE
 * P.AA.RelicF
 * P.AA.RoyalStatue
 * P.AA.SuspendedGalaxy
 * P.AA.WarSymbol
 * P.AA.Wisp
 * P.AA.XaquindiClaw
 * P.AA.XaquindiCrucibles
 * P.AA.XaquindiGem
 * P.AA.XaquindiLarvae

So which of these are correct? I think the Larvae is part of the naimal achievement as it is not directly found but extracted.Thamalandis (talk) 23:19, 25 April 2018 (UTC)


 * There is a item category called relic, that gets filtered out during cargo scans: It is the same as your list without the following items:


 * P.AA.CultAstrolabe
 * P.AA.CultCompass
 * P.AA.CultSextant
 * P.AA.RoyalStatue
 * P.AA.Wisp
 * P.AA.XaquindiLarvae


 * but with the following additional items:


 * Aphla
 * Crystal Skull
 * Xaquindi Ointment
 * Xaquindi Silk


 * So, if we just remove the items from the list we get 30 items in total, i.e. 3.33% per artifact? Liquidlenslab (talk) 00:27, 26 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Yeah I figured Wisp and Larvae belong to the animal achievement. The Questitems do not count which is interesting. I also would have thought the Aphla IS the royal statue, you get it as consolation after all from the king. What else would the RoyalStatue be. If we add the Aphla and you can tell me what the Avulco FOB is (and I own it) it would be 16/31 which is 52%. That would be correct.Thamalandis (talk) 01:02, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

The royal statue is the reward for winning the quiz. AvulcoFob = Avulco Components. Liquidlenslab (talk) 01:21, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Alright, I own the Components. Then 16/31 should be correct, it is 31 relics. Also the 5 cult relics are not Cueddhaest (Cult might be misleading) but Jassikan. The 6 anonymous relics are the basic relics "Ancient ...". I take it the Idol is the "Idol of Many Feats" don't own it but it makes sense. WELL, this means we can make another achievement page with the exact information. Good job!Thamalandis (talk) 01:28, 26 April 2018 (UTC)


 * The 5 Cult Relics are the bones of Ptah, the Jassikan stuff is not on the list. You are right about the idol and the "ancient" relics. I'm doubting, that Aphla made it on the list though, since it does not appear with a P.AA. prefix in the code. Liquidlenslab (talk) 02:30, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Now we got ourselves a pickle again though. I only got 3 of 5 bones which makes me 15/30 (exact 50%) or 15/31. The Aphla would fit, as it is similar to the "CultWelcome" which should be the Dark Orb from the Cueddhaest starting quest. The Royal Statue most likely is in the list for the achievement triggers due to being part of the grand prize winner stuff. However I agree if it is the Aphla I don't have it and I definetly don't have any of the old to bring it back up to 16/31... wait a MOMENT! The Raxact Badge is NOT part of any other culminative achievement counter. That thing is part of the "museum collection"? I might have preemptively sorted it out. That thing I DO have. With that it would be back up to 16/31. Since all items on the initial 71 are in some achievement counter, the Raxact Badge is the odd one out. I think this one is it.Thamalandis (talk) 02:50, 26 April 2018 (UTC)


 * I went the hard way deleted my save game :'( and cheated the relics on the list one by one and went to the Main Menu to check whether the percentage increased. Fun fact: after four relics I got the HOARDERS achievement because the Siobhan's Crystal Skull seems to count as an alien artifact. I also got the TALLER THAN HE SOUNDED achievement.
 * It is exactly the last list suggestion I posted + the 3 Cueddhaest artifacts. I'll put it on a new page. Liquidlenslab (talk) 10:30, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
 * You do know you can restore your old gamefile by saving the "global" file in the folder right? You could have restored your save after the test. And yes I switched Crucible with "Mandible" in my head. It is odd that only one body part counts as a museum relic, they got fangs too. But yes 17/33 does fulfill 51.5% and thus my 52%. That is fine.Thamalandis (talk) 13:45, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes. I knew that. Good to know, that your numbers confirm the list. Liquidlenslab (talk) 13:51, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Hero Syndrome
I have copied the list - and left out the "Tutorial and Earth" quests as they don't help the universe. Even without those you still have 62 quests (60 without the lander repair and the unending Tomb Raider). I did 16 of them and am currently at 30% of all missions done. Basic math: That can't be right.

So scratching Kirsten and the lander from the list as those are not problems of the universe, we are at 59. If I scratch the 8 introduction quests (of which I did 1!) this makes it 15 out of 51 which is 29.4%. The game rounds down, so there is still too much "noise" inside.

We can be certain at this point that the introduction quests most likely aren't needed. This offers the chance of not finding 8 seeds for all 8 starting factions. I think if Daedelic did that, this is VERY fair. I believe that and it fits the math.

Among the written down faction quests, there might be some "hollow" missions like the one with "Tomb Raider". If so it fits. You only need to do the basic faction missions for this achievement. Which is still playing with all factions ONCE. Thamalandis (talk) 00:26, 25 April 2018 (UTC)


 * You raise a very good question. And I have actually no clue, which quests are necessary for the achievement - After ~50 journeys to earth, I finally got it. Technically the game treats all kind of events as a quest, e.g. activating a distress beacon, finding planetary Reeve gates, cargo scans, meeting the burning Glukkt wreckage... Anyway not considering the welcome quests is an interesting approach. Do I assume correctly, that all quests you did can be found on the nedrear page? I'll take a look into the code maybe I'll find a section, that contains the correct subset of quests without the welcome quests, but I'm not too confident. Liquidlenslab (talk) 00:43, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

I didn't finish all of them, but I certainly found their location. I can name the 15 (16) I mean though. I finished:


 * As It Is Written...
 * The Colour Of Truth
 * The Translator


 * A Lender Not A Borrower Be
 * The Glukkt Who Sold The World
 * The Lost Ambassador
 * The Next Big Thing
 * The Route Of All Weevils


 * XXXXPlanetary Alert (Stop That Probe!)XXXX
 * ...For The Inconvenience
 * Operation: Rescue
 * Playing Asteroids
 * The Shivering Rot


 * The Hand of The Princess


 * HAMMER AND BONE!
 * Smuggler's Run

I did find dozens of Reeve gates already, did the Cueddhaest shell stuff etc. But doing a major quest - I saved and looked did give me near 2%. So it should be around 50-55 quests overall. I think the important thing is to do them "successful". There is often a B option for a quest, but a failure might not count.Thamalandis (talk) 00:51, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I did "Our Damn Sky" and it increased the counter by 2% again. Pretty sure my theory isn't incorrect... yet. If you know a seed that has the Logos, Ilitza, Meorcl and Vine Consensus you want to explore with me, tell me. It would not offer the Wolphax or Glukkt "bounty target" for the achievement, but the other quests. And Galaxy's most wanted doesn't need Hateful 8 to be completed.Thamalandis (talk) 01:29, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure you're right with your 2% assumption, I'm looking into it. And I'm afraid, I don't know a seed with that specific combination of races. Liquidlenslab (talk) 01:55, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Doing Energy Drain brought it to 33%. So I hid the later decimal again. It is above 50 quests (as it is not 2% always) but it definetly is below 57 quests (at least 2 instances of 2% growth means at least 3.5 which is at least 1.75% per quest). The truth is somewhere between 51 and 57.Thamalandis (talk) 02:10, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Just finished the rapture (the ascendant figures are Cerulean Dawn ships... which supports my theory of the old Cerulean Dawn being the remnants of their first Crusade they sent out in their teachings and got captured by the Tchansu, maybe due to learning how to deal with the Maylaa, the "old gods".). Either way it went up to 35%. So we have 7% in 4 missions. Even on the lower end we got 1.75% now. So the upper one (7.5%) would be 53 missions. 51-53 on the upper end and 51-57 on the lower (maximum).Thamalandis (talk) 02:37, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

I think I found something, there is a set of quests that sets a certain flag that starts with P.AC.Q which could mean something like "place achievement quest": It's 57 of them so it could be correct: Here is a list of the flags and the corresponding internal quest names (which are most of the time pretty close to the ones used by the game)

P.AC.QCL02 Rapture

P.AC.QCL03 Scholar

P.AC.QCL05 MissionaryDown

P.AC.QCL06 EnergyDrain

P.AC.QCL08 ShipInConflict

P.AC.QCL09 ProphecyEvent

P.AC.QHD02 BlackMarketExpress

P.AC.QHD03 PirateWork

P.AC.QHN01 Tournament

P.AC.QHN04 HandOfThePrincess

P.AC.QHN05 FasterThanLight

P.AC.QHN06 DemocracyInAction

P.AC.QHN08 TiltingAtWindmills

P.AC.QHN10 PatientGrasshopper

P.AC.QHN13 Rebellion

P.AC.QLG02 WisdomOfCrowds

P.AC.QLG03 Cleansing

P.AC.QLG04 PiratePatrol

P.AC.QLG06 TheStowaway

P.AC.QLG07 StarsInOurSky

P.AC.QLG08 Emergency

P.AC.QLG09 Boneyard

P.AC.QLG10 Conspiracy

P.AC.QPL01 Welcome

P.AC.QPL03 SeedTheCosmos

P.AC.QPL04 StickyBusiness

P.AC.QPL06 Pollen

P.AC.QPL07 FallenLeaves

P.AC.QPL08 PlantRescue

P.AC.QPL10 Explorer

P.AC.QRY02 ABanquetFitForAMeorcl

P.AC.QRY04 Quizmaster

P.AC.QRY05 DeliciousFriends

P.AC.QRY06 ExoticPetShow

P.AC.QRY07 BrainDrain

P.AC.QRY08 AsteroidFieldRace

P.AC.QSL01 SamaritanSnare

P.AC.QSL04 LoveBoat

P.AC.QSL05 FriendsCloseEnemiesCloser

P.AC.QSL07 UnworthyCompetition

P.AC.QSL08 CasinoNight

P.AC.QSL09 GamblersRemorse

P.AC.QSL11 SlaveDelivery

P.AC.QTN01 ShiveringRot

P.AC.QTN02 OperationRescue

P.AC.QTN03 PlayingAsteroids

P.AC.QTN04 FromOrbit

P.AC.QTN05 unknownAddress

P.AC.QTN06 Inconvenience

P.AC.QTN07 MissingProbe

P.AC.QTR01 CourierRun

P.AC.QTR02 GlukktWhoSoldTheWorld

P.AC.QTR03 LostAmbassador

P.AC.QTR07 RouteOfAllWeevils

P.AC.QTR08 TheNextBigThing

P.AC.QTR11 FireSale

P.AC.QTR13 TheVitruvianHuman

The selection is a bit strange, since it does not contain all big quests: Avalon (Wolphax), or the return of the king (Meorcl) is missing. Tomb Raider is indeed not on the list. The main and support quests are not in there as you expected, but therefore other things like the burning Glukkt wreckage are showing up. 57 means 1.75% per quest. I'll try to make the calculation with your first post. 15 of the quests you mentioned are on the list - A Lender not a borrower be is not on the list. The starting quest is (MissingProbe) also on the list, but the burning GLukkt wreckage is counted additionally (FireSale) and I imagine you also bought the Glukkt VR Erotica (TheVitruvianHuman). That means you have all 6 Glukkt quests and 3 of 6 Cueddhaest quests. unknownAdress are the fallen gates, probably you found and delivered one as well: 6 of 7 Reeve quests. 2 Wolphax quests, since you met Squire Temrach and 2 Raxact quests make: 20 quests (if you finished them all successfully) of 57 = 35.09% If you did not finish all of them, or I'm just assuming too many quests, then the list (and the value) could be correct.

All the new quests you mentioned, of which you looked up the percentage changes are also on the list - so I don't know whether this list of quests is correct, but I also cannot prove it wrong right now.Liquidlenslab (talk) 03:36, 25 April 2018 (UTC)


 * That list has a 90% chance to be correct. I did indeed not buy the erotica (was 20 credits short as I planned my medicine smuggling) and I saw the fire ship but it was no quest and fuel for 300 is insane so I let it go boom. But I know the POI it spawns in.
 * I crosschecked my list with yours. And it comes out to 20/57 so 35%. It is CORRECT. Which however leaves the aftertase... many of those are NEITHER achievements nor quests. So no wonder people didn't get it. The Fire Ship is a no-brainer to decline if you don't know this. You won this. Let's link the "Hero Syndrome" in achievement and give it its own page. We use your list to make a guide article for the poor idiots. Good data mining. Thamalandis (talk) 03:39, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'll do that, I can probably look up all the quests and pseudo-quests for the achievement in a more efficient way than you. And another remark: I've seen the ascending scene so many times and never realized that it's the Cerulean ships... You are great with these lore things (much better than I am and I have probably read every line of dialog in the game by now). Keep on writing down more of your theories! Liquidlenslab (talk) 03:46, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I already identified the "quests" and which race is meant in the 57 feats. I can prep the site... I do it right now. You are free to change the wording later. Most of them is the quests, but some small stuff can be sweated. P.S. The naming of the "Cerulean Dawn" and their teachings of old naming the Cerulean Crusade are pretty obvious to be honest. This only drove it home.Thamalandis (talk) 03:53, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay. I'll check it out tomorrow and add the stuff, you have not seen in the game, yet. Liquidlenslab (talk) 04:09, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * It is more about deciphering, really. I currently am not sure what the hidden Logos feat is... and which of the last two is the initial seeding quest. Both would work... those I leave open.Thamalandis (talk) 04:12, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I identified the missing content and added some infos to those quests, for which I could see the condition for granting the achievement. I also added info to all events, that do not have their own quest page. Doing that, I destroyed the structure a bit, partially because I think, the achievements section is very misleading since you don't have to get the other achievements to get the trigger for the hero syndrome. Anyway, it might be useful to put the events and mini quests again into a different section. Liquidlenslab (talk) 13:37, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Well you are our dataminer, so I trust you. I did indeed do both. I let Temrach win, rewind and beat him. I agree making that idiot a knight is detrimental to the universe, so beating the idiocy out of him is "better". But are you sure you don't have to win the tournament or the race? You still need to for their achievements, so people will do it anyway. Still you can just lose instantly with little effort it seems.Thamalandis (talk) 14:12, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I have no clue what is the condition for the tournament or the race, but I know for sure, that you have to let the squire win. My problem is that I don't understand most of the quest code, it's basically bit noise, but all conditions on dialogs are clear to me. Squire Temrach gets the achievement trigger, when he says that he is looking for a new job. For the tournament, it might be when a ship is destroyed, or you enter or leave a place - I simply don't know. Therefore I removed your remark - probably you're still right and a second place is not enough, but who knows? Liquidlenslab (talk) 14:35, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * You got confused here. Squire Temrach looks for a new job if you beat him 3 times. That doesn't proc the achievement. That is the opposite, losing to him and making him a knight. And kicking his ass is what you wrote down there.Thamalandis (talk) 15:43, 25 April 2018 (UTC)